"The Cultural Logic of Late Fundamentalism"
i.e Fundamentalism is sick, sick, sick!
And now for some light relief.
Disclaimer: Caution, you are now entering Poe's Law zone.
Here's an ostensibly pro-flat earth video by an ostensibly Christian
fundamentalist attacking Kent Hovind's defense of established science's heliocentric/spherical Earth solar system. Knock me over with a feather; I
found myself rooting for poor old Kent even though he himself is a quite extreme fundie! But don't ask me whether or not
Kent was being spoofed or whether the video is a parody! To be frank I can't be absolutely sure! However, if people are to be believed there seems to be a fairly recent resurgence of Flat Earth beliefs among Christian Fundamentalists; hence my above recycling of a phrase by Jameson!
Fundamentalist Kent Hovind gets a pasting from fundamentalists even more extreme than himself! But for a change Kent comes up smelling of roses! (Just! *2)
Here are some other videos on the Flat Earth Conspiracy:
Clearly, we are in Poe's law territory here! However, it is true that genuine flat earthers and geocentrics have existed and still exist today. See for example the following two comments below as they appear in the comment thread of the video and which as far as I can tell don't look like spoofs.... although don't quote me!
A Geocentric Commenter:
Some may argue that it not important for salvation if the earth is round
or flat and that may be so. for me personally i feel as king David did who says
at
Psalm 8:3-5 New International
Version (NIV)
3 When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place, 4 what is mankind that you are mindful of them, human beings that you care for
them? 5 You have made them a little lower than the angels and crowned them with glory
and honor.
That the creation of the sun and moon and stars
reveals gods love for humans in that they were created for us and this gives us
dignity and honor as gods children. we have been robbed of our dignity and
honor and birthright as children of our God by the false teaching that the sun
is the center and everything exists by chance. we have a conscience that draws
us to our heavenly father they take this away and they gave us CONscience. the
heavens is our crown of dignity and honor from our creator and father Jehovah.
A Flat Earth Commenter:
Kent I must say, until you do the research and
you do the science, You have no more claim to it being a sphere than those same
scientist have for claiming the earth is millions of years old. No Kent you
have not been in space to see for yourself. All you have is NASA (*But see footnote), and your Ship
Sail explanation has been "proven wrong" long ago. But the science
being brought today by a preponderance of Science Evidences prove the Earth is
Exactly as God said. It's Flat, It's fixed within outer-space "not
moving" and all the other stuff moves around earth. Kent You have to use
the same "dogmatic" stance that you throw at Dinosaurs and the Planet
being Billions of years old. If you want to "Believe it's a Sphere that's
your own Religion" Just like you tell all those who say they want to
believe in Billions of years and Dinosaurs... I wish to believe as God said it
was. FLAT... But It seems strange to me that today you seem to be so worried
what others will think. Kent you said you believe God, but it seems more clear
you only believe in some of the things God says... hmm strange
The implications for Christian fundamentalism in general are grave: As the above suggests Christian fundamentalists, whether they are flat earthers, geocentricists, young earthers, blood mooners, failed prognosticators or promulgators of conspiracy theorism, all have a distinctive and recognisable commonality in as much as they use a Biblical literalist epistemic. As the video shows the fundamentalist epistemic can be turned against itself in an ironic twist; the video exposes not only the inconsistencies between different fundamentalist groups but also within a ministry like that of Kent Hovind. One thing is clear; there are many shades of fundies out there who are firmly and (over) confidently asserting all sorts of mutually contradictory things and yet they all claim their opinions have divine authority based either on the Bible or the gnostic touch of God; quite often both!
One's first impressions may be that flat earthism and young earthism are scientific questions, but such bizarre claims have more to do with group psychology and sociology than they do science: One can study flat earth theory and young earthism from the point of view of science gone astray, but that is less than half the story; the other and probably more important half is to do with the sociology of belief and group identification. There does, however, seem to be a logical progression here: In fundamentalism's alienation and marginalization from the academic mainstream and from culture in general, it is an easy emotional step to reject modern cosmological science in its entirety; from its inception with Copernicus, through Galileo, Kepler, Newton, and so on to the enlightenment etc, to the fundamentalist it all feels like a conspiracy to defraud them of the faith. Since modern science also owes much to prototypical Greek thinking a further logical step for fundamentalists is the rejection of the (pagan) Ptolemaic cosmos.
Biblical texts written prior to the sixth century BC are likely to have come out of a culture that had no conception of a spherical Earth and this is evidenced by the Bible in as much as there is no mention of a spherical Earth in pre-sixth century Biblical texts; if anything, as the Christian flat earthers point out, the Biblical metaphors hint at a belief in a flat earth. As fundamentalist marginalization and subsequent detachment from social identification continues apace, social fetters suppressing fundamentalist contrariness against the marginalizers are loosed. It is no surprise, then, as disaffected fundies immerse themselves in what they wrongly think to be the self-contained and self-interpreting universe of the Bible they regress to a pre-sixth century BC cosmology in an act of protest and cultural vandalism.
That flat earthism is able get a social purchase even today is not only evidence of certain kinds of social trend but also a sign that the perverse assumptions and special pleading of dogmatic "presuppositionalism" will always find an intellectual loop hole: This is because in the final analysis very little is directly observable. Our "direct observations" are embedded in a huge mountain of theoretical narrative by which they are synthesized into a comprehensible whole; a perverse and contrary person is always able to eventually find some other bizarre narrative which joins at least some of the dots of observation. A fine example of this is young earthism's omphalos hypothesis whereby any observed state of affairs can simply be explained as the way God made it. Fundamentalism's omphalos tradition has been given new impetus by Jason Lisle's ASC cosmological model. See also John Byl.
It's worrying that a nation such as the USA, on whose prosperity, strength and wisdom the West as a whole very much depends, should be the epicenter of these daft goings on; perhaps it's something to do with that great American independent-can-do spirit which, it seems, has a downside as well as an upside, just as the great German aptitude for collective discipline once showed us its downside. As for the British they tend to lazily maintain the status quo until there's either a threat to their business interests or a threat of an alien evasion. All very stereotypical no doubt, but when you're writing a paragraph of one-liners that attempt to sum up the situation what else can you say?
One's first impressions may be that flat earthism and young earthism are scientific questions, but such bizarre claims have more to do with group psychology and sociology than they do science: One can study flat earth theory and young earthism from the point of view of science gone astray, but that is less than half the story; the other and probably more important half is to do with the sociology of belief and group identification. There does, however, seem to be a logical progression here: In fundamentalism's alienation and marginalization from the academic mainstream and from culture in general, it is an easy emotional step to reject modern cosmological science in its entirety; from its inception with Copernicus, through Galileo, Kepler, Newton, and so on to the enlightenment etc, to the fundamentalist it all feels like a conspiracy to defraud them of the faith. Since modern science also owes much to prototypical Greek thinking a further logical step for fundamentalists is the rejection of the (pagan) Ptolemaic cosmos.
Biblical texts written prior to the sixth century BC are likely to have come out of a culture that had no conception of a spherical Earth and this is evidenced by the Bible in as much as there is no mention of a spherical Earth in pre-sixth century Biblical texts; if anything, as the Christian flat earthers point out, the Biblical metaphors hint at a belief in a flat earth. As fundamentalist marginalization and subsequent detachment from social identification continues apace, social fetters suppressing fundamentalist contrariness against the marginalizers are loosed. It is no surprise, then, as disaffected fundies immerse themselves in what they wrongly think to be the self-contained and self-interpreting universe of the Bible they regress to a pre-sixth century BC cosmology in an act of protest and cultural vandalism.
That flat earthism is able get a social purchase even today is not only evidence of certain kinds of social trend but also a sign that the perverse assumptions and special pleading of dogmatic "presuppositionalism" will always find an intellectual loop hole: This is because in the final analysis very little is directly observable. Our "direct observations" are embedded in a huge mountain of theoretical narrative by which they are synthesized into a comprehensible whole; a perverse and contrary person is always able to eventually find some other bizarre narrative which joins at least some of the dots of observation. A fine example of this is young earthism's omphalos hypothesis whereby any observed state of affairs can simply be explained as the way God made it. Fundamentalism's omphalos tradition has been given new impetus by Jason Lisle's ASC cosmological model. See also John Byl.
It's worrying that a nation such as the USA, on whose prosperity, strength and wisdom the West as a whole very much depends, should be the epicenter of these daft goings on; perhaps it's something to do with that great American independent-can-do spirit which, it seems, has a downside as well as an upside, just as the great German aptitude for collective discipline once showed us its downside. As for the British they tend to lazily maintain the status quo until there's either a threat to their business interests or a threat of an alien evasion. All very stereotypical no doubt, but when you're writing a paragraph of one-liners that attempt to sum up the situation what else can you say?
See also these links:
http://quantumnonlinearity.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/problems-in-young-earth-creationism_15.html
Footnotes:
* ....and the Russian, Chinese, European and Japanese space agencies....and you'd better add numerous private aerospace companies who must be in on the conspiracy as well!
*2 ..although Kent does get himself into a twist over whether the Earth is at the centre of the Universe.
Where 24901 = circumference of the Earth.
Now try looking at a tall object in front of you tilted at about 1/3 of a degree away from you and see if you can see the tilt.
The flat earth clown (I'm not at all sure this man is serious!) who advanced this fallacious argument can be seen in the video below. Many criticisms can be made of his "science", a "science" which involves no quantification and measurement. But to spend too much time on this rubbish is time ill spent as far as I'm concerned. However, this video is evidence of the (recent) link between Christian fundamentalism and flat earth conspiracy theorism.
* ....and the Russian, Chinese, European and Japanese space agencies....and you'd better add numerous private aerospace companies who must be in on the conspiracy as well!
*2 ..although Kent does get himself into a twist over whether the Earth is at the centre of the Universe.
Appendix I : High Structure Tilt
In the Kent Hovind video an argument for a flat earth was offered which I haven't seen before: The argument is that structures over the horizon and yet whose height means they nevertheless stand above the horizon should appear to tilt away from the observer if the Earth is round. But no quantification of this effect was advanced and no proof of whether it would actually be apparent was offered. Take the example they showed of sky scrapers viewed across what they said was 20 miles of sea. The angle these objects would tilt away from the local zenith is given by the equation:
360 x 20/24901 = 0.289 degrees.
Now try looking at a tall object in front of you tilted at about 1/3 of a degree away from you and see if you can see the tilt.
The flat earth clown (I'm not at all sure this man is serious!) who advanced this fallacious argument can be seen in the video below. Many criticisms can be made of his "science", a "science" which involves no quantification and measurement. But to spend too much time on this rubbish is time ill spent as far as I'm concerned. However, this video is evidence of the (recent) link between Christian fundamentalism and flat earth conspiracy theorism.
Flat earthers: Making a mockery of Christianity
Appendix
II : Depressed Horizon
Some fundamentalists maintain that the horizon isn't depressed as it should be if the earth was round. In contrast I maintain that it is quite easy to see this depression.
In 2004 whilst holidaying on the Isle of Wight in the UK I stood about 500 feet up on Tennyson Down with my son Stuart looking across to St Catherine's Point which stands at nearly 800 feet. One would expect, then, that a flat earth horizon at infinity would intersect St Catherine;s Point at well over half it's height, i.e. at the 500 foot mark. We remarked at the time that this was very noticeably not the case - the horizon, as demarcated by the sea, was much lower than this, and I took this to be evidence of the Earth's curvature. What we actually saw was this (A sketch I made shortly afterwards):
In 2004 whilst holidaying on the Isle of Wight in the UK I stood about 500 feet up on Tennyson Down with my son Stuart looking across to St Catherine's Point which stands at nearly 800 feet. One would expect, then, that a flat earth horizon at infinity would intersect St Catherine;s Point at well over half it's height, i.e. at the 500 foot mark. We remarked at the time that this was very noticeably not the case - the horizon, as demarcated by the sea, was much lower than this, and I took this to be evidence of the Earth's curvature. What we actually saw was this (A sketch I made shortly afterwards):
View from Tennyson Down looking across to St Catherine's point. In this view the nautical horizon is visibly depressed below the horizontal
Later on I scribbled down some pencil calculations
on file paper and these can be seen here.
It was these calculations that enabled me to arrive at the figure of 150 feet
for the actual height the nautical horizon intersected the land of St
Catherine's Point. Although I didn't have any equipment to take
measurements, the visual impression was consistent with the theory.
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