In a blog debate between evangelical
atheist Larry Moran and “IDiot” (as Moran calls them) Vincent Torley about the significance
of the similarities between the genomes of humans and other primates, Moran
succeeds in drawing Torley out on just how his God-of -the-Gaps version of intelligent
design is supposed to work.
I’m currently doing a series of posts on one of
Torley’s posts that appeared on “IDiot” web site Uncommon Descent. In that
series I critique Torley’s dualist theology, a theology that leads him to posit
a Natural forces did it vs God
Intelligence did it dichotomy. However, in this particular post I want to
show-case Torley’s own admissions on just how he thinks God might do his bit by
tampering with the “natural” scheme of things. The following snatches of the dialogue
between Moran and Torley are very telling indeed.
First over to Moran:
Moran: The genomes of chimpanzees and bonobos are remarkably similar to
the human genome. In terms of sequence similarity, they are more than 98%
identical in the regions that can be aligned. This, of course, is due to the
fact that they descend from a common ancestor in the recent past (about 5
million years ago).
Intelligent Design Creationists don't agree. Many of them do not
accept common descent and macroevolution so
they make up stories that account for the similarity based on what they think
god might have been thinking when he created chimps and humans. (My emphasis in bold)
My Comment: Moran is right on there: North American
ID is a soft science based on “what they
think god might have been thinking when he created chimps and humans”. What
compounds the problems of North American ID is that the “IDiot” culture Torley represents
claims to not identify the more precise nature of the intelligence involved. Thus “God”
is replaced with the apparently non-committal term “intelligence”. This of course could include “little green/grey
man” intelligence; in which case we are explicitly dealing with a tinkering homunculus who is working
very much within the physical regime
of the cosmos. Who knows what motivates such entities and how they think? Soft
science indeed! This is far from the immanent totalizing God of Christian
theology.
Anyway, Torley claims to have some
kind of insight into how this intelligence might think. This is what he says (as
quoted by Moran):
Torley: In his post, Professor Moran (acting as devil’s advocate) proposes
the intelligent design hypothesis that “the intelligent designer created a
model primate and then tweaked it a little bit to give chimps, humans,
orangutans, etc.” However, he argues that this hypothesis fails to explain “the
fact that humans are more similar to chimps/bonobos than to gorillas and all
three are about the same genetic distance from orangutans.” On the contrary, I
think it’s very easy to explain that fact: all
one needs to posit is three successive acts of tweaking, over the course of
geological time: a first act,
which led to the divergence of African great apes from orangutans; a second act, which caused the African
great apes to split into two lineages (the line leading to gorillas and the
line leading to humans, chimps and bonobos); and finally, a third act, which led humans to split off from the ancestors of
chimps and bonobos.
"Why would a Designer do it that way?" you ask. "Why
not just make a human being in a single step?" The short answer is that
the Designer wasn’t just making human beings, but the entire panoply of
life-forms on Earth, including all of the great apes. Successive tweakings would have meant less work on the Designer’s
part, whereas a single tweaking
causing a simultaneous radiation of orangutans, gorillas, chimps, bonobos and
humans from a common ancestor would have necessitated considerable duplication
of effort (e.g. inducing identical mutations in different lineages of African
great apes), which would have been uneconomical. If we suppose that the
Designer operates according to a "minimum effort" principle, then successive tweakings would have been the
way to go. (Emphases in bold are mine)
My Comment: That really says it all:
This concept of ID is of the tinkering, tampering One, whose thinking Torley
thinks he understands and who makes the occasional appearances to solve the computational
problems of the cosmic processes with a tweak of His magic wand. His is a black-box
intelligence eminent to the processes of life. This leaves evangelical atheist
Larry Moran with the easy job of making fun of Torley:
Moran: Interesting. One imagines the creator visiting Africa about 15 million
years ago and fiddling with the genome of the ape ancestor so that two distinct
species are formed. One leads eventually to orangutans and their extinct
relatives and the other is the progenitor of the other extant apes and their
extinct relatives.
Then the creator gets busy with beetles, or other planets, and lets
things evolve on their own for a while, accumulating and fixing alleles at the
rate we expect for evolution. Then the creator comes back for a visit about
five million years later, having gotten bored with beetles. He (she?) tweaks
the genome of some African ape so that a new species arises. The old one is the
ancestor of modern gorillas and all the other related species that have gone
extinct and the new species becomes the ancestor of chimps, bonobos and humans.
Now the creator turns his attention elsewhere for a few million
years as those ape species evolve (insects need attention and his creation on
Titan is in peril). Back he (she?) comes about five million years ago to tweak
another two species into existence—one that will give rise, by evolution, to
several species of Australopithicus, several species of Paranthropus, and
several species of Homo (Homo habilis, Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, and
Homo sapiens. The other will eventually lead to over-sexed bonobos, the main goal
of the exercise, I assume.
I think that what Vincent Torley is saying is that this is all
consistent with the data I posted because most of the time these species are
evolving just as we would expect. That's why the sequence differences between
chimps and humans corresponds to what we expect from evolutionary theory. The
reason this is misleading is because it omits the key mutations that god
inserted every five million years or so in order to make modern gorillas.
There is, of course, no evidence that Torley's scenario is true and
no evidence that a creator exists. I thank Vincent Torley for showing us just
how ridiculous the Intelligent Design Creationist movement has become if this
is the best they can do.
My Comment: Clearly the foregoing is an elaborated
caricature, but it is caricature justified by Torley’s view of the eminent tweaking,
tinkering, tampering intelligence, who fills in when “natural processes” can’t
do the job. One can almost see in Torley’s vision God flying around in a
spaceship from planet to planet doing the kind of stuff that gods (or little green men) do.
For myself I reject Torley’s God vs. Nature dichotomy and see God’s
intelligence as immanent rather than just eminent to the cosmic process. This
immanence is expressed in as much as the
cosmic process is intelligence in action; that is, it is using intelligence’s
universal process of search, reject,
find and select. This view of mine
would, in Moran’s eyes, likely make me just as big an “IDiot” as Torley, but at
least I would like to be hung for right kind of theological idiocy, and not for
the kind of dualistic idiocy Torley represents.
Addendum: 03/04/14: I can live with being thought of as an "IDiot" by Larry Moran, but he can hardly be blamed for using an appellation like this: Christianity has become so extreme in some of its expressions (particularly in North America) and inseparable from right-wing and anti-science sentiments* that "IDiot" becomes a commensurate symmetrical response; recall that Uncommon Descent is not just a site that questions evolutionary theory but also hosts YECs. Moreover, it is likely that the extreme fundamentalists have also helped stir up and justify the indiscriminating atheist savagery we see amongst PZ Myers "raiders", with which agreement or treaty is all but impossible. But talking about indiscriminate savagery think also of the behaviour of the raging religious right which includes (and has included) characters like Alex Jones (Professional conspiracy theorist), William Tapley (End times conspiracy theorist), Barry Smith (Millennium bug conspiracy theorist, now dead), Kent Hovind (Right wing conspiracy theorist), Ken Ham (Conspiracy theorist by interest), John McKay (Ham's ex-business partner and religious crank), Glen Beck (Mormon conspiracy theorist) etc. From their number one will hear detractors accused of the most heinous sins, depravity and blasphemies. Doctrines of total depravity has given them a susceptibility to conspiracy theory. In their world to be a heretic is to simply question the divine authority of their opinions and therefore a profession of Christian faith doesn't proof one against these savage accusations! If I had a choice I'd much prefer being called a common or garden "IDiot"!
Footnote:
* The artificial distinction that some Biblical literalists try to make between observational and historical science is a reliable shibboleth for anti-science attitudes: They don't see that the real variable is not historicity but the degree of logical remoteness of the ontology being investigated.
Addendum: 03/04/14: I can live with being thought of as an "IDiot" by Larry Moran, but he can hardly be blamed for using an appellation like this: Christianity has become so extreme in some of its expressions (particularly in North America) and inseparable from right-wing and anti-science sentiments* that "IDiot" becomes a commensurate symmetrical response; recall that Uncommon Descent is not just a site that questions evolutionary theory but also hosts YECs. Moreover, it is likely that the extreme fundamentalists have also helped stir up and justify the indiscriminating atheist savagery we see amongst PZ Myers "raiders", with which agreement or treaty is all but impossible. But talking about indiscriminate savagery think also of the behaviour of the raging religious right which includes (and has included) characters like Alex Jones (Professional conspiracy theorist), William Tapley (End times conspiracy theorist), Barry Smith (Millennium bug conspiracy theorist, now dead), Kent Hovind (Right wing conspiracy theorist), Ken Ham (Conspiracy theorist by interest), John McKay (Ham's ex-business partner and religious crank), Glen Beck (Mormon conspiracy theorist) etc. From their number one will hear detractors accused of the most heinous sins, depravity and blasphemies. Doctrines of total depravity has given them a susceptibility to conspiracy theory. In their world to be a heretic is to simply question the divine authority of their opinions and therefore a profession of Christian faith doesn't proof one against these savage accusations! If I had a choice I'd much prefer being called a common or garden "IDiot"!
Footnote:
* The artificial distinction that some Biblical literalists try to make between observational and historical science is a reliable shibboleth for anti-science attitudes: They don't see that the real variable is not historicity but the degree of logical remoteness of the ontology being investigated.
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